Out Into the Cool of the Evening, Strolls the Pretender

On to the to the topic at hand which is that this past weekend has confirmed my well known belief that there are two types of men.( I�m sure there are plenty of subtypes but hear me out). There are men who love women due to the basic male female thing going on; these man can take or leave the companionship part until they age and need to marry and settle down. They need women for the simple fact that they are men. They follow the rules of our culture , date women sleep with women have relationships with women and oft times settle down with a women when it is the right time. These men are pretenders. It�s all about timing more then anything else as far as love and marriage goes anyway. These men will settle for whatever when the time is right for them to settle down. They may have at one point met their soul mate but the time was not right or maybe they are yet to meet her but it will be too late. There is then the other type of man this is the type who �loves women�. I mean really just plain loves women. They appreciate women for the brains, their bodies and just for the fact that they are women. These men unlike the previous type can treat women like flowers while at the same time not condescending to them. These types, although no more prone to philandering than the previous type, would never settle in with one women due simply to the fact that the � time was right� or that they were at � that age where it was time to grow up�. These men will wait until they find their soul mate and in the meantime have many lovers and will appreciate them all to a degree that the aforementioned man could never conceive. It may be that type ones are seen more often in doctors, lawyers, businessmen and politicians and type twos are seen more often in artists, musicians, filmmakers and writers types but this rule is not hard and fast and there is a large genetic component some environmental factors come into play as well. Typically many women would prefer the solid life given to her by a type one over the questionable life offered by a type two (we got to eat ya know). Seriously though would you not rather make sure you can fend quite well for yourself thus allowing you to be with a man who truly �loves women�. Between the longing for love and the struggle for the legal tender. Think about it. And then we�ll put out dark glasses on And we�ll make love until our strength is gone And when the morning light comes streaming in We�ll get up and do it again Reading "Atomic Iran" which appears to me thus far to be a pretty partisan look at the whole situation but I'm trying to be open minded here; I am however balancing it off with what appears to be a less partisan "The Iranian Labyrinth"; I'm also trying to do a chapter a day of "Our Culture, What�s Left of it (The Mandarins and the Masses)" which appears to be a pretty good read. This because once I return to school my reading is often limited, I'm afraid, to what needs to be read in order to get out of school in a timely fashion. I�ve read no news today I got home late so shoot me. The news sucks anyway and our great and noble leader is on vacation. While Niger Starves, and the genocide continues in Darfur and while someone else�s son gets killed in Iraq he's probably going go shoot some possum or something equally as repulsive. Mephistopheles is not your name but I know what you're up to just the same


Blogger mojo shivers said...

So what category of man am I, Cooper?

8/05/2005 01:22:00 AM  
Blogger Coyote Mike said...

I am pretty sure I am a type two. I am a writer, single, not looking for a wife, have no timeline, respect women enormously as women, although if they are idiots in non-gender issues they get the same amount of disdain as idiot males, and I would be happy not getting married until retirement if it meant I was with my soul mate.

8/05/2005 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger Crystal said...

what about the type of man who is just a jerk...the ones who simply use women. are these ones in both categories, or do the deserve a category of their own?

8/05/2005 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger EsotericWombat said...

I wish there were more women who held that mindset and meant it. Someone like me is hard enough to market even without the type one/type two thing.

Actually, there's a third type of man that you didn't mention... the gay man

And I've basically come to expect Bush to fiddle while Rome burns. An extremely cynical part of me suspects that he's fiddling in triumph.

8/05/2005 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Jake said...

I'm type 1 no doubt there. I do agree to a certain degree about this.
I imagine you lean toward the former type.
I'm more concerned about your choice of summer reading materials?????? I'm not a total ignoramus but I don't know any girls that would be reading books about Iran during their summer break.

8/05/2005 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous pia said...

And what type of man do you think I have gone for?

Do you think getting older has had anything to do with changing the type of man I like?

just wondering--oh no that's part of your identity

8/05/2005 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger SeizeTheNite said...

I'll take a type 2 anyday.
I can pay the bills (or at least my share) just give me man who loves women, not one who just loves to screw them in between the football game and dinner.

8/05/2005 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger Lauren said...

You might actually have a decent theory there. I certainly dated a terrible type 1, and am now quite happy with my type 2. "A woman has to love one or two bad men before she can appreciate a good one when he comes along".

8/05/2005 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Ruben said...

Read my last post :-) All woman are gorgeous in one way or another!

8/05/2005 04:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're saying that the - Iranian Labyrinth- praised by Chomsky is less partisan than - Atomic Iran ?

I have read neither of these but find it hard to believe.

The man type thing- What kind of guys have you been out with to garner you that type of presumption.

All food or thought nothing more.


8/05/2005 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The problem with your theory is diagnosis. I suspect all ex-boyfriends will be type 1s and all husbands are type 2. I do think you need a type for misanthropes.

8/05/2005 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger Crystal said...

no, type one are all those who settle...so more than likely they will marry

8/05/2005 10:15:00 PM  
Blogger Coyote Mike said...

Type ones are also the ones who get divorced at 40, buy a toupee and a convertible and date girls who couldn't quite graduate high school and are more interested in money than anything.

8/05/2005 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous weirsdo said...

I disagree. It's not really that considerate to marry (/partner) someone before one is ready and then put her into a variety of possible impossible situations such as working while one finishes school, moving constantly while one climbs the ladder, moving in with one's parents until one finds oneself. So your type 2 is just as likely as type 1 to fit into my two undesirable categories: users and losers.

8/05/2005 11:21:00 PM  
Blogger Coyote Mike said...

I hope I don't fit in either of those categories.

8/05/2005 11:50:00 PM  
Blogger Graham said...

Thanks for writing on my blog AIW... :).

I have to disagree with ya though. Deep down, from my experience, we all have the capacity to love in our life. And by that I mean truly devote our spirit to the brains, body, and soul of another. Sadly, the way we deal with the pitfalls we encounter, especially those initial painful experiences in love, eventually takes it's toll, and makes it harder to remain vulnerable in such situations.

In many ways after a turbulent experience as what you might consider 'man type two,' I am quite envious of the prospect of type one, and simply pursuing tranquility, companionship, and security in my relationships. But, deep down I know better, and I hope I can remain young at heart, and capable of, when the time is right, letting it all pour out in worshipful devotion and commitment to the person I choose to give myself to.

I think all guys are type two, and all gals. The battle is staying true enough to your soul to not dwindle lazily into being type one.

Very cool blog, btw :)

8/06/2005 12:53:00 AM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

mojo: Your writings would portray you as a two but I do not forget that in cyberspace one can be portrayed in anyway they want.
Coyote: You seem wise but as above.

Crys: Men can't use women unless women allow themselves to be used. That has been my take on things for as long as I have had thoughts on this subject.

Wombat: The gay man does not enter into this equation so was rightly left out.

Jake: Don't you worry about my summer reading materials let me handle that.

Pia: I am sure you have had many of both but it would be obvious to me that you would also prefer a type two.

SeizetheNight: Type two�s seemed to be the winners.

Lauren: here here

Ruben: I saw it; you area a dear.

Chase: yes that is what I am saying and as I have read more I am now saying yes more. lol

Doug: actually although my experience is limited I would say I have had only one ex boyfriend who was a total one the rest are total twos and there is some crossover there; the type does not make them immediately desirable there are other factors involved. My observations are not relegated to boyfriends however it is based on observations of guy that I know in general and what I have observed in their behaviors and in speaking with them.
Misanthropes don't count in the equation at all.

Weirdso: I think both makes and females sometimes fall into the trap of marrying when it is time and allowing themselves an illusion of love in order to do it. It may be some biological thing or not I am not certain. I never called type one losers or type two not, there may be losers and users in a my category but whether or not someone is a user does not automatically take them out of the women lover category. Users as, I have noted, need to be allowed to use in order to do so.

Graham: I don't disagree that they do not always love the right way or at the right time. I disagree in that I find there are men who love and enjoy women in a way that others are not capable of and i think this is an inherent.

8/06/2005 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger Nony Mitchell said...

I agree with much of what you say...but I find some men hard to put into either category...but then again...that's the nature of the beast

8/06/2005 02:47:00 PM  
Blogger Jack Burden said...

At any given moment, I usually find myself to be the only one around who takes a step back from the daily mess and tries to re-assess the world, or rather a very small slice of the world, to see if I can make better sense of it.

However, seeing as how there's huge gobs of thought lying all over the place (as is apt to happen here at Alice's Restaurant, I mean, blog), I will take the crasser (though no less meaningful) road and quote Chris Rock's two types of men.

There are two types of men. 1) The men that women sleep with, then get to know. 2) The men that women get to know, then sleep with

8/06/2005 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Misanthropes never count. That's how come I live in a cave and eat rabbits. I do wonder, though, how many men think they've settled, how many women think their men have settled and whether there aren't some of us for whom commitment doesn't operate differently from traditional marriage.

8/06/2005 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous John said...

There is quite a conglomerate of opinions here in your little home away from home.
I won't even ask why.
The reading material does not surprise me and I am going to acquiesce to you opinion on this one. I have read parts of both but my time is better spent this summer elsewhere���working on becoming the type 1 that holds all the qualities of a type 2 so that females such as yourself, and admittedly cooper or Alice as they all seem to call you, will fall madly in love with me and at the same time I can provide them with a decent life should one of them decide to have my babies.
I am probably the only one that comments here that actually knows you so let me say this without saying anything to anger you.
Your opinion on men in general and your views of them often seems to be something you do as if we were bugs and as if you are looking at us under a microscope. Tell me it isn�t the case? My opinion stands that you are wasting �all that�.
We are not ethnographic studies.

Moving up in less than two weeks and hope to see you before you go back to the city.

8/06/2005 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger Danielle said...

I have a good man. He cooks, cleans, and tends to my every need. Oh, and he DOESN'T use the word "pussy". Does YOUR man do that?

8/06/2005 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger Sar said...

Interesting assessments. My hubby was a drummer in a rock band when we first started dating and wound up working on Wall Street. A type 2 at heart with a type 1 career perhaps?

8/06/2005 11:09:00 PM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

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8/06/2005 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

Jack: Thanks for the info hon.

Doug: Exactly. .............you eat rabbits? ew

John: I like my little microscope. Please don�t take by microscope away.

Danielle: Whatever floats your boat. I prefer to hire out for the cleaning myself and I find men that tend to my every need stifling to say the least. As for using the word �pussy" I am not overly fond of the word myself but all is negotiable. If I can say cock he can say pussy and I am fond of the word cock as people here know.
The email, which I assume is also from you, was more interesting you should have posted it here. I don't think of myself as a confused psycho, others may though but that is their prerogative, and I have been in college for two years carrying two majors so if the psycho bitch in me has not worn off by now I guess it is not going to.

Sar: Get Java Joes it is sooooo much better you can get it off his site or amazon . The types are not exclusive there is some wiggle room here.

8/06/2005 11:16:00 PM  
Blogger Rex Venom said...

I think some of us (men) try, for whatever reason or maybe unconsciously, to be the other type of man as opposed to the one we are. I am a type two, by your descriptions, yet I seem to try to live a more stoic lifestyle. At least lately.
Hey! How many types of women are there? I want to know if my collection is complete! Ha!
Rock on!

8/07/2005 08:15:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

So, you've been called psycho and traitrous in the last couple weeks? By golly, envy is a green-eyed monster.

8/07/2005 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

Well...I hate to say this...but you don't know shit about men.

8/07/2005 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger thatoldsoul said...

I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo a type II.

Ah boo ya.

8/07/2005 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger Coyote Mike said...

check my blog for a list of women types

8/07/2005 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

I don't really keep track or make judgments about women for the most part. You're Stoic? So that is why you can write poetry as you do?

I'm such a lucky girl and you should be envious.

Seriously though.... I disagree. Obviously no expert I but that's my view on things at this moment in time. Times moves away from us though before it catches up to us so maybe there is hope for me there.

Maybe, can�t tell in your case.

I checked it out and you really do not like hairy armpits do you? I don't like men with really hairy armpits either and the less make-up they wear the better unless they are on stage. So I think we agree on things in a somewhat inverted way. That is how it goes in Wonderland though.

8/07/2005 10:16:00 PM  
Blogger Coyote Mike said...

I have nothing against hairy armpits for women. Its just the ones who braid beads into it.

8/07/2005 10:31:00 PM  
Blogger breasier said...

I think if I were a man, I'd like to be a type two. I think I can appreciate women on a purely aesthetic level.

But since I'm a type one woman towards men, something tells me I'd be a type one man towards women, sugar.

8/07/2005 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Nique Zool said...

I am unsure what I am out of the two types.

I am a man.
That is all.

It sounds strange, but I think Bob Dylan got it right in 'The Man in Me' with the line:

'the man in me will hide sometimes to keep from being seen,
but thats just because he doesn't want to turn into some machine'

Basically, I would like to be in total love with someone, but I don't want to work my way through loads of women to get there, because then it might not mean so much or worse, it makes me regret my past lovers.

Perhaps that why I've only ever even held hands with one woman - or maybe thats because I'm incredibly shy about this kind of thing and just come off as distant.

up with roses.
down with bears.

P.S - I really like your blog.

8/08/2005 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Indeterminacy said...

I think sometimes I have had both types in me. I don't know which type is the strongest.

8/08/2005 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger Coyote Mike said...

ok, Nique Zool, I looked at your blog. Two things. You are a sick fuck and if you are that hard up, do something about it. Or disappear.

8/08/2005 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

Coyote: i 've never seen that. also nique leads toward sick satire.

indeterminacy: everyman most likely has a little bit of both.

breasier: you slay me and you write as a type 2.

nique: possible take some of your writing to heart or...something like that.

8/08/2005 08:28:00 PM  
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