Betting on Studs - You Bet and and i'm drawn to the night, it's the damn neon light

With the true instinct of the blog artist I realize that I can�t let the day go by without some meager offering. This, while taking a study break and looking at a real live "paper" copy of Newsweek with a hot picture of Anderson Cooper in it, and a pretty decent article on The Women of Al Qaeda, but I know you all don't want to hear about that. I�ll give my humble opinion instead on this article about Heidi Fleiss and her proposed desert bordello��.male bordello. This is a good topic for me as I am still having a bit of a sexual exudation issue.

There's a gravity in me Pulling me to want to see What is going on tonight Beneath the electric starlight
Evidently, according to Newsweek in an article written by Steve Friess titled quite cutely Betting on the Studs Heidi Fleiss is making some male hearts pitter patter and not in a good way.
Heidi Fleiss scares the hell out of me," says George Flint, lobbyist for the Nevada Brothel Association, which represents some of the state's 26 legal houses of ill repute, most of them dressed-up doublewides with names like the Chicken Ranch and the Cherry Patch. "Our industry is not so firm, so to speak, that we need to flirt with some secondary activity that could bring down the whole house of cards." Because the brothel laws all refer to prostitutes as "she" and require cervical STD tests for sex workers, Fleiss would need to get the statutes reworded to cover her studs. Richard Ziser, president of the conservative group Nevada Concerned Citizens, warns: "She may bring enough publicity to cause a problem for the industry."
I don�t see how this becomes a secondary activity when it is the exact same service; the only difference being the service is performed by men as opposed to women.
In the Frolic Room The seat I assume And I'm drawn to the night And its damn neon light
Funny how there aren't any problems when men are selling women, or women are selling women, but when women want to sell men all of a sudden it's too damn complicated to change the she to he, or they, and add an addendum or addition to the clause "cervical std test".
If Nevada lawmakers try to run her back across the state line, Fleiss says she's primed for a legal fight, on grounds that the state's existing laws discriminate against men. "What's good for the goose should be good for the gander," she says.
Nothing really, but good for Heidi; if I was a lawyer I�d totally be on board. Regardless of what you feel about prostitution it is legal in Nevada, and to suggest that it is too complicated to change some stupid little statute, or that it doesn�t already allow for male prostitution is ridiculous and possibly discriminatory with regard to men, but is certainly discriminatory in regard to women.
Oh, in the company of the privileged and the nearly damned Mixing like a cocktail of pure spirits slammed In the danger zone is where you'll find me In a certain dive so inviting
I have nothing I just wanted to share. Oh! If the person who happened to �mistakenly� picked up my BlackBerry ( tiny purple and red shiny tape on back side with my name and cell) in this building here the one that is now more difficult to jump off, please return it, ( I just got it) or try to find a way to jump off. Thank You


Blogger mojo shivers said...

I cannot believe there would be that much hubbub over opening a stud ranch. I mean--someone had to think this would eventually become an issue down the road somewhere.

12/08/2005 02:36:00 AM  
Blogger Girl on the Blog said...

Anderson Cooper... gorgeous...:)

The Women of Al Qaeda, very sad... just like using children to become suicide bombers.

I say, Good for Heidi. Not that I think prostitution is right. BUT... Why not have �Stud� ranches? Makes since to me... if a woman can easily spread her legs for $20 bucks then why can't a man lay down and take it for $20 bucks... Double standard if you ask me... not that you are. ;)

Oh... and what man in their right mind would go to a house of ill repute called the "Chicken Ranch"... I guess maybe a desperate, horny one... If I were a woman looking for a "good time" I think I would look on if I came upon the "Chicken Ranch"... lol!

12/08/2005 07:16:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I actually have a slightly amusing Nevada brothel anecdote. I'll think about it.

Sorry to hear about your Blackberry.

12/08/2005 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger zydeco fish said...

Is Heidi hiring? ;-)

12/08/2005 09:09:00 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

I've always thought there should be a franchise of restaurants that cater to women... similar to Hooters. Maybe call it Peckers or something.

12/08/2005 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger avereragebusinessman said...

I just read that. It is stupid and discriminatory in both directions if they don't let it happen.

Wonder Why?

Sorry about your blackberry too.

12/08/2005 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Leigh said...

That was funny...what colorful names. Have you seen American Pimp? They have a section on Neveda.

That sucks about the blackberry...hope someone returns it to you.

12/08/2005 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arrived here via msmbc's blog round up.
I've stayed for fifteen minutes.
Didn't expect to end up at the blog of some twenty year old college student but it was worth the stop.

call me tate

12/08/2005 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Coyote Mike said...

I often wonder how desperate a person in so hire someone for sex. I mean, come on . . . you got hands, there are toys, and I've never heard of anyone getting an STD from porn.

12/08/2005 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger protagoras said...

Hey, let's be each other's prostitute "on the house."

No jumping allowed.

Word play, of course, mandatory.

12/08/2005 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger EsotericWombat said...

Huh. I'd much rather see this court case on TV than the Saddam trial.

Totally with you there. Yay for equal oppertunity objectification!

12/08/2005 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger CT said...


12/08/2005 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous johnm said...

Not to disturb your faith in mankind or any of that cooper, but rarely is a Blackberry mistakenly picked up; it may have been intentionally picked up, but the guilt of the person who did so will be too much to bear and you will get it back. Oh I should have read all the way through. I think you get that point. Smart girl.

I'm all for it myself. Equal opportunity. It is strange that they would even try to stop it and I agree it is discriminatory in both directions.

12/08/2005 06:39:00 PM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

mojo: Exactly, it's ridiculous but does enforce the patriarchal society theory.

GirlOTB: He is definitely hot. It was an interesting worth reading article. I say good for Heidi too. It should be a non issue. I've never been to Vegas but I honestly never pictured the double wide thing. I was thinking of a more upscale version.

Doug: That's not fair. I'm waiting.

zydeco: hope she will be soon.

Jay: and you are a right thinking gentleman. If I recall from the, good old days, when I was sixteen, there is a place called Peckers in ocean city Maryland.. I don't think it is exactly the male synonym of Hooters though... it is a place where a bunch of real dicks go to drink.

BIZMAN: Exactly and the answer to why is stated in my response to mojo. yea I'm real sorry about it as well.

Leigh: no return-age. No haven't seen it but I'll have to now.

tate: interesting name. Not quite sure what to say�.
Umm I�ll be twenty-one in May.

coyote: I guess it's for when your hands wear out.

protagoras: on the house - you mean free?
Nothing is free and word play costs more.

wombat: oh god me too. Objectification should be equal....if only.

ct: hope you didn't fall down.

john: My faith in mankind is at a standstill for now.

12/08/2005 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger protagoras said...

Should I pay with honesty or silence?
Or something else. I like to honor my debts.

12/08/2005 11:00:00 PM  
Blogger Graham said...

Hmmmm, not sure about this one. I do feel strongly about prostitution being de-criminalized. The situation now is out of control and threatens people's safety. Legal brothels don't end that, but they go along way to keeping the natural forces of market demand that makes a lot of girls wanna do this... they a long way to making things a little bit safer. If you look at somewhere like Holland you can see an industry that is very well regulated and definately keeps a lot of people safe and protected.

Heidi really is jeapordizing that by bring a lot of attention to these laws. The reality is that a male brothel for women, anywhere, can probably function very effectively without any intervention from law and order, but more importantly, it can function without men's lives being put at risk... the only thing is that if it's done by Heidi then she's going to get attention and be prosecuted.

She should just stay out of it... equal opportunity prostitution isn't the most pressing thing, it's the reality that prostitution will always exist and we should try, in subtle ways, to prevent some of the criminal activity surrounding it, like slave trading women from poor countries and protecting their safety.

That's just my take, but, then again, I'm looking for work so who knows...

12/08/2005 11:06:00 PM  
Blogger strider said...

i bet she could get some financial backing from viagra.

12/09/2005 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous weirsdo said...

Provided she doesn't discriminate against male customers, I think Heidi is providing a necessary service. What else are all those repressed gay Mormons over the border going to do with themselves?

12/09/2005 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Alice, my manners and better judgement fall to ribbons before you.

When I was a student at Deep Springs College it was equally easy to fly into Las Vegas, Reno, LA or Las Vegas and take a Greyhound bus. If you flew into Vegas, which was closest, the stop was at Lida Junction where you were let off at the sole business, Madame Beverly Harrel's Cottontail Ranch. As you suggested, a pair of double-wides with a landing strip for clients in a hurry.

The front of the "house" was a bar and on cold nights in the wintertime, when we'd go pick someone up, we usually waited at the bar. I was the designated driver one night when someone was coming back from break and three of my friends decided that a tryst with a hooker was an experience they wanted and they borrowed some money and rode along.

We got there well before the bus and sat in the bar, two of my friends paid their money and went back while the third got cold feet and paced back and forth behind my barstool trying to decide if he really wanted his first time to be something he paid for. I offered him my wisdom, earned by having lived 19 years as opposed to his 18. Mainly "Why not?" and "Of course not" whichever way he wasn't leaning.

While he was ruminating, our friends came out. He kept ruminating and I wished for the bus. A trucker came in, just as ugly as I can ever hope to be with stuff in his ears and stuff in his beard and just a lot of stuff stuck to him. From that point, the decision to go ahead took exactly as long as the trucker and my indecisive friend went back with the same girl the trucker had "dated."

The next time this friend and I left Deep Springs Valley together I drove him out the California side, toward a physician, and a pharmacy.

12/09/2005 12:43:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

For the second Las Vegas, please substitute San Francisco

12/09/2005 12:43:00 AM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

protagoras: an honorable one you are.

graham: looking at it from the standpoint of economics and social concerns, as you always do, i see your point . my feeling is too bad maybe they need attention as they need the same law and order to be functioning legally as do the womens.
Factually it is what she does.. so I guess she really wants to continue doing it. It is her right.

See there.

Stridor: I could see that as a health hazard to those poor men though.

weirdso: i don't seriously think the gay thing would work and I want my Christmas tree back.

Doug: I like that falling to ribbons part. I have a brother and most of my best friends growing up were male...don't you concern yourself with manners.

ha ha...that give me the creeps... now that trucker would have been a clue ..
you are nothing if not a good friend though eh?

12/09/2005 01:08:00 AM  
Blogger Miz BoheMia said...

Sorry about your blackberry Alice. Happened to me last year with my favorite pair of sunglasses and it burns! Hope you find it...

Great post. Graham's comment got me going too. I agree with many of the points raised. Personally, I am not into the whole prostitution industry, sickens me and I wish there was a way to knock sense into these women... Personally...

Realistically, it will be something that is always in demand, there will always be women who will either want to do it, fall into it... Bottomline, it is gonna happen and I think that both men and women should have a right to it in as safe a manner as possible and with worker's rights included.

In San Francisco there is a strip joint that made headlines called "The Lusty Lady" that made headlines because it was the first such place to become worker owned and operated and unionized. No prostitution goes on there but it is considered as a part of the sex industry, is regulated and is doing well and the workers are safe, cared for and happy.

Illegal prostitution mostly raises the issue of safety and you yourself (Graham, that is) used Holland as an example of a place where there is strict regulation and it seems to be working for them there. So why not apply that as a model for places where prostitution is legalized, such as Vegas?

Now, Heidi Fleiss. You offer only one scenario as to the outcome of her wanting to push this issue in order to open up her "stud ranch." First of all, I think it is her right to fight for it. It is absolutely hypocritical for the system to allow the sale of sex by women and not by men and this double standard raises a lot of issues and sends out many mixed messages. On that front, more power to the madam.

As far as the current legislation and regulation, it might not be a bad thing for things to be stirred up, the legislation looked at and changes to be made! The system is obviously flawed so it might as well be fixed and if it takes Heidi Fleiss to bring attention to it, then so be it. The outcome could very well be a more positive one where issues such as the rights of the worker's and their safety is brought to the forefront.

As for the slave trade of women, the efforts going into fighting against that will not suffer because in Las Vegas there is a woman who wants to open up a brothel where men are up for sale. The two are not related. Different organizations, groups, people, funding are involved and it is just a non-sequitur to raise that as an issue against Heidi Fleiss' fight.

Yes, her fight is not a pressing one because of the matter of prostitution but if looked at as a matter of discrimination, double standards, and the second-hand citizenship of women, then this should be given the same attention and consideration as any other matter.

12/09/2005 02:46:00 AM  
Blogger RuKsaK said...

Funny how sex sells but no one ever admits to buying - there's the beauty I guess.

12/09/2005 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Haha, Alice. Yeah, the trucker would have changed my mood for sure. Actually, I may have left out the funniest part of the story which was the drive back and all three customers working in to the conversation how their "girl" had complimented them on being really, really good or hot.

12/09/2005 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger I.M. Dedd said...


See, the difference here is the issue of pay.

If I know men (and I do play one on t.v.), Heidi will be able to get volunteer workers.

Think about it.

12/09/2005 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sure, Dedd, but I bet the turnover will be high.

Hey, Alice, I forgot to say how much I liked the line "With the true instinct of the blog artist." Hahaha

12/09/2005 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous pia said...

Damn Doug took my line "..true instinct..." love it

Remember when the Bobst library was being built; though it doesn't look like a good place for suicides, have heard of more than a few there. Wouldn't be so encouraging, because of its history, but I hope you get your Blackberry back, and if not, we'll find the person and arrange some other form of justice--public hanging?

12/09/2005 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Alice: In Wonderland or Not said...

miz bohem: thanks it's gone doesn't matter it was a gift of sorts and I really was not all that fond of it as yet.
I honestly don't care what an adult women or man does with his or her body but I am ignorant , and most probably blissfully so , as to the slave trade or the basic motivation that causes women to go into the " profession". If legal everywhere it would not be as likely to be run by crooks as it is now which is a somewhat better proposition I imagine.

I actually went to my first strip club this summer. I�m not sure if I wrote about it in this journal or not maybe it was in another journal but it was an interesting experience and there were more women there than men.
I agree with you missy bohem.

ruk: I personally wish sex were less of a commodity than it is and more of a private enterprise. Is the baby here yet Ruk? I'll have to check your site out tonight it's been a few days.

Doug: Silly boys. Please feel free to share more of these any time you would like. I know this is one that you won't be telling on Doug Drones On. ;)

Dedd: Not so sure at the very least the make escorts services, at least here in ny , pay some guys pretty we ll. Granted they are supposedly only escort services and often the men used to escort the women are gay the pay is not bad. Don't ask me how I know that.. well anyway a friend of mine was offered a lot of money to be a male escort and there was a particular assignment in mind for him involving escorting a much older women around for the weekend... much older I mean like sixty or so.

Doug: what??????? am i not a blog artist???? :(

pia: you and doug... are you sure you are not the same person?

12/09/2005 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Sar said...

I hope Heidi's got refill pages for that little black book of hers.

And hey, stories from Doug, bonus! Between being the designated driver & keeping the barstool warm while the others played russian roulette with their venerial health, that Doug was quite the gentleman. I'm surprised he didn't order drinks just to set them on fire and amuse himself while he passed the time. You know since he was the designated driver and all. ;)

12/09/2005 11:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the brothel owners in NV are worried that if Heidi goes to the legislature to make the needed changes in the law, this will open the whole subject to debate; there are groups that would like nothing better than to be able to try to kill the currently legal brothels as well as stopping Heidi's attempt to open her Stud Farm.

12/10/2005 05:41:00 AM  

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